Nascar gone to hell?

Toyota in Nascar? Goodwrench and in fact GM not sponsoring a team? Is there nothing sacred anymore? Bad enough we lost Ford! Who is next to enter, Nissan? I stopped watching the trucks when Toyota entered. The thought of seeing Toyota running with the big 3 makes me ill. Yeah, I know. Toyota employes a lot of Americans and produces a lot of cars here and I know a lot of people love thier imports. They just don't belong in motor sport with it's roots based on runnin' shine! Next thing you know, the stands will be filled with polo shirted, boat shoed, wine drinking neophytes bringing their clients to races to discuss business over sushi and tea!

Nascar gone to hell?
Why does Toyota not belong??? Some people are so scared of change it makes me laugh. If Nascar wants to become the Number 1 sport, which you can tell Brian France wants, Then Change is a good thing. Toyota will bring in more Fans and more great Race teams. I see no reason why Toyota does not belong. Most of the "Big 3" are now made out of country anyways. So do they not belong either. I think Toyota will do fine and I wish them all the luck!





By the way this is coming from someone who has never bought anything but a Chevy!! Change can be good, I think I will!
Reply:ya really right
Reply:I'm not agreeing or disagreeing as I think that change can be a good thing if you apply the right changes, and every sport you look at isnt what it used to be its all about the money in every single sport, its about who wins the most races or games and who gets paid the most, and etc, and how much tickets cost to get it and etc, everything revolves around money without it our economy would be nothing. Toyota I think will inspire USA car manufacturers to change their car productions by getting better fuel mileage, and etc to make the cars more efficient and thats a good thing, and it would lower gas prices, and limit how much we pay for gas and etc, so thats not bad, as Ford hasnt been lost they just basically suck, as Im a chevy and Jeff Gordon fan, and I think that Toyota has as good of a chance as anyone does. I think that the more global NASCAR becomes the better it makes the sport and it will become the #1 sport in the world, thats always a good thing, and like someone else said Chevy has won the most championships, and the big 3 has been around forever, but some of the good ones have dropped out, and other foreign cars used to race like Jag or something used to run a long time ago or some other foreign car, so it was okay then, and thats a different stereotype now as people assume NASCAR is for redneck drunks with no life, yeah right, and I think what matters is they way the driver can drive and the action, and what happens on the track like someone else mentioned. So change can be a good thing just it depends on how you look at it.
Reply:Sorry Dude...the days of 'polo shirted, boat shooed, wine drinking neophytes bringing their clients to races to discuss business over sushi and tea!' are already here. If you ever get a chance to visit a luxury suite at a race...you'll see for yourself.





Less than 10 years ago...the driver field was dominated with drivers who called NC, GA, TX, etc...home. Look now. CA, WA, WI, MO...all great states, but not Southern.





Furthermore, the France family has literally sold-out it's core fan base, in search of the global money. Nascar has lost face with it's Southern roots... and so it goes.
Reply:Who really should care what manufacturer is in NASCAR. As long as we get to see some good racing, does it matter? And think of it like this, if Toyota dont make the races, why not laugh at em?
Reply:it's people with attitudes like yours, that keep NASCAR behind the times. the last shine runner driving in NASCAR was, Junior Johnson and, I don't know how old you are but, I don't remember the "good ol' days" as, being all that great. the racing wasn't all that close and, there were only 6 or, 7 drivers with, a real chance to win every week. I remember Richard Petty, winning races by laps. that NASCAR, thankfully, doesn't exist anymore. its time to move forward.
Reply:I hate it as much as you!!! Look at who is driving the Toy boats!!! Sure as _ELL it isn't the REAL DRIVERS. I"TS ONLY THE LOSERS LOOKING TO MAKE MORE MONEY. ,Reutimann,Blaney,Mayfield,(the only driver to have a chance),Jarret(to old),Michell Waltrip(please),Vickers(trader),Allmendi... Just like the FRANCES!!! WHERE"S WINSTON CUP??????? A true Southerner sport gone to _ hit!!!!!!
Reply:Yes I know whre you are coming from.The foreign car revolution has begun.But it is not new Chrysler(Dodge) is owned by Daimler


same owne as Mercedes.


I have heard lot of people who are tired of the same B.S. every week.Today drivers whine if they wreck,whine if they do not win,whine if they don't get their way,whine- whine- whine.


Drivers in the 60's and 70's and lesser the 80's were real drivers.They could build a car as well as drive.


The 90's brought in the over paid hired drivers.The family team died the real drivers were placed to pasture and the so called super drivers now are taking over the Busch series.


So real NASCAR is gone.The substitute is predictable as to winner,and why not most of the tracks are cookie cutters and a no brainer set up.


WallStreet and GQ owns NASCAR.It is at the point most people can not go to the races because hy ar priced out.


Now Toyota is in the fold and I am not a fan of them but if I want to watch a race I have few choices.I will not be happy but I am just a common fan and not a preppy GQ type.


All I would like to say to NASCAR is make stock car racin right for those of us that have been fans since the 50's and 60's.
Reply:i have to agree NASCAR made a big mistake letting Toyota in...and i think in about 4-5 years Toyota will leave because they will not be any winners in there stable of cars
Reply:i totally agree with you. NASCAR basically is gone to hell. There aint any good side by side racin like there was and Toyota, COME ON?? NASCAR stands for NATIONAL association for stock car auto racing, not INTERNATIONAL association for stock car auto racing. Ther aint nothin stock about the cars either. If i was president for one day, id take away the restrictor plates and make the cars stock factory based versions of the Ford Mustang, Chevy Monte Carlo, Pontiac GTO, and Dodge Challenger with factory built engines. Back in the 60's when a manufacture wanted to win, they would build production race cars. Why cant it be that way today?
Reply:It would be better if somebody could get that fool Brian France out of office. He is the reason why there have been all of these changes to Nascar. He keeps changing stuff.





I'm all for diversity and change in the sport but he is trying to turn Nascar into a Hollywood commodity. So many of the older fans have left because of the changes. I hope that Nascar doesn't loose it's roots.
Reply:NASCAR might as well race golf carts.There is no real racing anymore.
Reply:i hear ya man. and yes, Nissan probably IS next and Mike Helton and whats his name will ruin the sport. its going to hell in a handbasket.





...Hey Who? - why dont you go look at which car is the most winning in NASCAR, its not a TOYota!


...oh yea and with the addition of Juan Pablo we'll now have the hoity toiters from F1 wanting to rub elbows and tall boys with the rednecks. its all a mess.
Reply:It sucks doesn't it? But I don't think it's gone ALL the way down there. I think it's still salvagable. They just need to slam a few heads together and get things worked out.
Reply:i think brian france is the biggest con artist since p.t.barnum.


the only thing that hasn't changed since he took over is the length of races.nascar is now in the process of trying to cover for his "brilliant ideas".


remember impound races?that didn't last long.


how about the dirty aero packages?the "car of tomorrow"should change that.


revisions to the chase?didn't take long for that...and i don't care about his cliche disclaimer;"it's a work in progress".


some change is always necessary,but he has completely overhauled the sport.


they asked on sirius satellite radio"what will be the biggest story in nascar this year?"


damn shame it's easier to say what won't be the biggest story.it will not be the quality of racing!!!
Reply:I agree what the hell Thats why us real fans need to ban together
Reply:Yeah,its been there for a couple of years now. It's not really about racing anymore. The teams with multiple cars and money have the advantage now.
Reply:You are so right!!! I have been a racing fan since my dad ran the Figure-8 races in the 1950's. I jumped in joy when they brought NASCAR to our t.v. at home. I live on the west coast, so going to the races is not an easy thing for me. Last year a friend wanted to take me to Sonoma, when I saw the prices, OMG, that's sick. It is all about $$$$$$$$$$$ now. NASCAR is an American tradition, good ole' boys, fast AMERICAN cars, and a brawl or two! Thank goodness some one else sees what is going on. Runnin' shine WAS the beginning. NASCAR brings in more FANS than any other sport, and it should stay true to it's roots! I never miss a race, from the comfort of my home, and I will even have Boogity,Boogity,Boogity on my headstone.
Reply:NASCAR is growing and there is a good and bad side to it. The good! More teams and manufactures (Toyota) means the more (good) young drivers we can move up from the Busch series. Also with the addition of Toyota hopefully the BIG 3 will put some more cash into our teams. The bad! The bigger it gets the more money we pay for tickets, the more drivers will shift for the bigger buck. Loyalty will no longer have a place on the drivers or owners side. Winning is always key but the more money teams shell out drivers will have to win right away. No more giving him a season or two to develop. They are going to have to cap the growth sooner or later hopefully it will be before the wheel fall off.
Reply:YES! everything seems to be about profit and production. Toyota? creepy. You can take the good ol' boy outa the country, but you can't take the country outa the good ol' boy. I don't think we have to worry about too much change AND hopefully things will come full circle and NASCAR will go back to the way it used to be - Cale Yarborough RULES!
Reply:I completely agree with you! I loved the old NASCAR when it was all about American cars and country boys driving them. Now I'd have to mortgage my house to buy a ticket to get in! It's all about $$$$$$$. NASCAR is no fun anymore and that sucks!
Reply:Just get over it.





None of the cars resemble the cars they sell anyway.





I have been a Nascar fan since 78. I don't watch it because of the make of car. I wouldn't buy any of the cars anyway. The Fusion is ugly, the chevy has no style, the dodge, well that speaks for itself. I watch the sport for the action, the driver's, and the tracks they are on. Don't really care what manufaturer it is. I follow the driver's mainly. If they can drive a car, then it doesn't matter to me who makes the damn thing. Besides moonshining has been gone for a long time, as well as most of the driver's that ran moonshine. It's a sport of auto racing that's it. Still a fan and will always be a fan.


Nascar is becoming more global and that is fine with me.





Look at it this way. Dodge trucks are put together in Canada. Chevy trucks are assembled in Mexico. Now ***** about it.
Reply:A lot of it is about money, but at the same time it's about wanting to go global and bring in even MORE fans. Look at what has happened with the fan base in just recent years. The viewers and fans are younger now and you have to admit, they can bring in a lot of money! So now we expand, go global and get the teens all over the world. In some ways it is about NASCAR trying to be a sport for everyone. Will it be? NEVER! I know that is what France is trying to do, though. Pushing to get more women drivers and a more ethnically diverse group of drivers, too. In the end I think it will be a good thing. It will always be a sport for the good 'ol boys. Nothing can change that aspect of the sport!
Reply:Maybe if the american car companies could pick up the slack and put out a product worth a sh*t, then maybe we can talk. I blame the US automakers for letting Japanese put out a superior product year after year. I hope Toyota inspires the US automakers to become great again.
Reply:are you scared that Toyota is going to come in and mop the floor with the other three? do you really have such little faith in your favorites,





well hell why have three, why not have one car? we can have nascar contract and design one car and one engine, you can call it the 07 nascar racer





why not? cause that would be boring!!!





personally i wish every manufacturer was involved, it would give more lines of drama for each race, more reasons to cheer


and more reasons to boo
Reply:Guy's like Tony Stewart,Kevin Harvick,Matt Kenseth and what the hell, even Jeff Gordon still make the races exciting.Everyone has someone to cheer for and someone to despise,if they so choose.Personally,I wouldn't care if they were racing toboggan's pulled by Tibetan mountain goats,I'd still watch as long as the intensity of the rivalry's remained.By the way,thanks C.S. Excellent link.
Reply:I agree with you,Its all about the money now.Its not the sport i grew up loving.
Reply:As far as whining that is not a new thing some drivers have been whining since they came to nascar, two words Rusty Wallace, biggest whinger in nascar. As far as Toyota, they have no place in Nascar, it is truly an American sport and need to be kept American. Look at what the foreigners did to Indy cars. I dont watch Indy races because they are a joke, not about racers any more just Italian shoes silk shirts and !@#$ers who wont drink the traditional milk after the race. God Bless America



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